Is it possible to hit a quater at 300 yards with an AR with irons?

[NonConformist]

Ok I found one, though I dont think he will be able to do so consistently a quarter will actually cover 3/4 of the bull on a simulated 300m target which is set @ 25 so perhaps that is what he meant

I will try it unsupported save a sling, standing. First w/ an EOTech and then w/ Irons on my M4 type Bushmaster

[Dag]

Originally Posted by Anti-Looter1026

off hand means unsupported standing up.
Were they shooting supported or unsupported?

they were in the prone position, using sandbags for support...

[ReyFufuRulesAll]

Originally Posted by NonConformist

Angles have nothing to do w/ it, My rifles is zeroed so its dead on at 300, You wont be able to see a quarter at that range must less hit it except by chance, not w. irons and a quarter size target is also out of the realm of likelyhood because Military Grade rifles only have to shoot 3-4 MOA at 100 yds to be accepted, military ball ammo at best is only capable of 1-2MOA at 100

Measure your chest width, then measure 12 inches then measure a quarter, the Iron sights on an AR will cover 12" at that range, that 3/4 of most peoples chest...How much does a quarter cover of that twelve?

I'm not arguing that the guy is not a condescending dipwad, I'm just saying your math is wrong. 3-4 MOA is 3-4 MOA regardless of distance.

MOA stands for Minute of Angle, or 1/60th of 1 degree. The actual length in inches/decimeters/whatever will change as the distance from θ increases, but the angle (in minutes) will not. I'm a geek, so I'm allowed to be bugged by things like that.

[Nightfighter89]

Originally Posted by ReyFufuRulesAll

I'm not arguing that the guy is not a condescending dipwad, I'm just saying your math is wrong. 3-4 MOA is 3-4 MOA regardless of distance.

MOA stands for Minute of Angle, or 1/60th of 1 degree. The actual length in inches/decimeters/whatever will change as the distance from θ increases, but the angle (in minutes) will not. I'm a geek, so I'm allowed to be bugged by things like that.

All hail geekdom

[ReyFufuRulesAll]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter89

All hail geekdom

damn straight

[NonConformist]

Ok, but the fact remains that a front sight will cover 4 inchs of a torso at 100, and thus 12 at 300

[Blacksheep]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter89

Is it possible to see a quarter at 300 yards with iron sights?

No.

That's what I was thinking. I know I can't see a quarter that far out.

[Nightfighter89]

Originally Posted by Blacksheep

That's what I was thinking. I know I can't see a quarter that far out.

I have 20/20 and I can tell you right now I couldn't. Now vision does get better than 20/20 with some prescriptions, but still, it would be a hell of a feat, and hitting it with a rifle via anything but dumb luck takes it to the level of bullshit.

[Anti-Looter1026]

Being able to see it and being able to hit it are too different things. In theory something could be used as a guide.


Any way I decided he was full of shit along time ago.

[Dag]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter89

All hail geekdom

I wish I had the vocab. to understand all the tech-gun speak... All I know is that I love guns...know how to shoot them...and want as many as I can acquire...

[Dag]

Originally Posted by Nightfighter89

I have 20/20 and I can tell you right now I couldn't. Now vision does get better than 20/20 with some prescriptions, but still, it would be a hell of a feat, and hitting it with a rifle via anything but dumb luck takes it to the level of bullshit.

that was what I was getting at... albeit it, I have seen a handful of 'dumb lucker's' hit complete center mass at 300m during boot camp... (but there were more than 140 of us during that time)... so it can be done...but, like I have said multiple times, I have never seen it repeated in that amount of accuracy with regular rifle sights...

btw... we were told in boot camp, at the M-16 firing range, that between firing the rifle and the 100m target, that the round actually drops then raises some during the trajectory...no shit! (still haven't understood why though)

[NonConformist]

Originally Posted by Dag

btw... we were told in boot camp, at the M-16 firing range, that between firing the rifle and the 100m target, that the round actually drops then raises some during the trajectory...no shit! (still haven't understood why though)

Well, the trajectory is either high or low at those ranges assuming a standard BZO, which is designed to be dead on @ 300 and is usually established at 36

so your aim will be exactly POA/POI at 36yds and 300 yds

as a result you will be a few inches high at 50, 6.5 inchs high @ 100 etc

the actual flight of the bullet is an arch that crosses your LOS at 36 and 300 so thats whats happening

[NonConformist]

Oh AFA the subject in the OP, heres my final theory to test(for posterity)-

Yes on a simulated 300m target which is shot at 25m

No to an actual 300m shot